NSW Readers' Advisory working group meeting minutes
4 February 2010, Armidale Dumaresq Council Library
1. Attendees:
Martin Mantle (Armidale)
Kirsten Bell (Armidale)
Cathy Johnston (CRL - HQ)
Sue Hughes (CRL – Nambucca Heads Branch)
Leonie O’Shea (CRL – HQ)
Kay Farrell (CRL – HQ)
Katrina Shillam (CRL – Grafton Branch)
Robyn Van Zanten (CRL – Urunga Branch)
Maria Mutimer (Inverell)
Robin Taylor (Gunnedah)
Robyn Draper (Gunnedah)
Sharon Tollard (Gunnedah)
Megan Pitt (CNRL – Tamworth)
Judy Atkinson (Coffs Harbour)
Jessie Kane (Coffs Harbour)
Therese Scott (Ashfield)
Ellen Forsyth (NSL)
2. Apologies:
3. Reading Challenges
http://readersadvisory.wikifoundry.com/page/2010+Librarian%27s+Reading+Challenge
Quite a few participants in this reading challenge now.
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Good to see staff challenging themselves to read outside their comfort zone – or outside their usual reading tastes – eg, WillC58 is planning to ‘read’ the Klu Klux Klan website
Have a look at what others are reading and add yourself to the list – lots of fun
Some staff are challenging other staff to read an item – staff are choosing the item for them; positive feedback from some managers and library staff.
4. Strategic plans for RA work
We’re always asked – recognising it happens, how do we make it strategic?
Coffs Harbour
Rewarding reading training – bring it back and on-train – an important role for everyone to play.
Training – valued as an integral part of library service.
Wiki awareness sessions – especially with casual staff.
White board in staff room – “what I’m reading now”
People/other library staff don’t necessarily regard RA as a ‘skill’.
Armidale
* Advising about reading preferences is not necessarily a core part of library service (opinions of other library staff) – library cultures across the board are not equal
Different customer service principles in ea. Library service – rigid: check-in / check-out; small; personalities; noticing trends; sometimes its okay to comment, other times not; recommendations – opening up areas of interest; “who else writes like”, etc
Gunnedah
Book marks
New stock
client promotion-giving it away.
Large print – targeting handouts to suit clients.
Facing books out – new stands.
Personal help – magazines – don’t push on staff though.
staff - never a fiction reader, always read NF; by doing RA discovered some good fiction choices which suit (eg, Bryce Courtenay)
If RA is core work then statistics will support that: numbers through door, loans, etc; promotion – eg, library lovers week.
Inverell
5. Finding out what are staff reading?
Coffs Harbour
Inverell
Armidale
CNRL
-book group members.
-local pollies.
-sports people.
How do you make RA work in offices where there is resistance from other staff?
Coffs Harbour
Statistics
Funding
Slips for patrons to fill in (did you borrow more as result of a chat?).
Surveys.
Staff reviews on catalogue.
Add to PD: gives staff something to strive for as a result of it being in the PD.
Tracking positive verbal feedback – anecdotal record, email to staff – engagement
Gunnedah
Armidale
Inviting staff to be involved – getting staff to recommend 2 new books and put on a stand.
Lucky dip; mystery reads; creates staff anxiety but can positive feedback – though is more ad-hoc than strategic.
Need to think strategic rather than ad-hoc.
Sense that some staff think that RA staff are pandering to the clients and that the clients should help themselves without asking for help.
Example: 60 yr anniversary of Armidale library tied in with 70th anniversary of Patrick White’s first novel – birthday party + discovery – initiated by Martin rather than implemented strategically.
Staff driven vs externally driven (eg, Oprah’s Book Club).
Knowing strengths & weaknesses in staff reading.
Grafton
* Particular staff keeps telling people what they ‘should’ be reading / educating staff to recommend rather than advise.
* Put RA into position description; thinks it important.
CRL
* Linking to competencies
* final outcome of increased loans and increased membership.
CNRL
6. RA seminar-Murder at the Metcalfe
So far all tickets have been taken and a waiting list is in operation. Good to see such a quick take-up
(This event is free for New South Wales public library staff.)
9.00 tea/coffee
9.30 Welcome from Executive at the State Library of NSW.
9.45 – 10.05 Diana Tixier Herald – senior editor of the Genreflecting Advisory series will talk on the genre-blend of crime and paranormal fiction.
10.15 – 11.00 Peter Milne – crime fiction buyer from Abbeys Bookshop.
11.10 – 11.55 Matthew Reilly – International bestselling action/thriller author.
12.05 – 12.50 Lunch time.
12:50 – 1.25 TBC.
1.30 – 1.50 Sherrey Quinn – Resources for Crime readers advisory work, online and in print.
1.55 – 2.15 Rachel Franks – Genres of Crime.
2.20 – 2.45 Murder in the Metcalfe (based on murder in the library).
2.45 – 3.10 Afternoon tea.
3.10 – 3.55 Crime/Mystery crossovers Panel – Discussion and reading suggestions on Children’s Crime fiction, Crime in Literary fiction and Romantic Suspense. Cathy Johnston (Clarence Regional), Therese Scott (Ashfield) and Vassiliki Veros Elliot (City of Sydney).
Make sure you have read a crime or mystery before coming along. It can be fiction, non-fiction, audio - just try out this genre.
(Ellen & Therese finally arrived after their flight was diverted to Tamworth and they then had to be bussed up to Armidale - Yay!)
7. RA for Home Library Service
– a collaboration
Aim: - to establish an RA doorways-based checklist for HLS for selection, etc.- to help people help their clients
22/2/2010 – group getting together to workshop ideas (Ellen, Vassiliki, Therese, 3 HLS people from other libraries, including Auburn & Burwood).
Developed list, etc, will go on wiki.
Came about as a result of conference in 2009 where Ellen spoke about RA and Older People and the limited availability of LP items (eek!), idea was based on taking Nancy Pearl’s doorways to develop a HLS checklist – why you (a HLS patron) read a particular genre, etc.
Eg, character-focused reader of crime may not want a story-focused crime item; possible potential though for expanding reading tastes – eg, providing items in other genres which are character based; expands customer service.
Q. when I’m talking to a new client, how do I find the info I need to better select for them?
Reading preferences = reading lists (reflective of genres) = better stuff for HLS = enhanced reader experiences
Wiki – editable by everyone.Helps with all 3rd person RA.
8. Outrageous ideas for RA work
-Ellen
Games as elements of RA work; people who play games cover the whole spectrum of readers and non-readers.
Using games/gaming as an approach for RA; border element; paper for conference exploring reading & games; same appeal characteristics apply to both reading and gaming.
Most responded to a series of emails asking Library staff about their gaming and reading tastes came from Australia, NZ, and Fiction_L.
Not changing what RA is, but providing a different perspective;
Different ways of asking similar questions, eg. Scrabble – for one person is played not as a language game but as a character game because of who they play scrabble with; for others it is about the language; assumptions are being turned on their heads.
Coffs Harbour –
* Local celebrities tell lib what they’re reading and come in with their favourite books – media opportunity
Coffs – Rabbitohs – creating handouts – cover for PL News??
Can depend on what it is you’re trying to “sell” at the library.
Rated reviews – top gear wall / “cool wall” like Top Gear / voted by staff
100 reviews added to catalogue during the month it ran / best review won.
Further means to extend this promotion:
This could then promote back to public accordingly – “super cool” books as reviewed by you and voted by staff.
3 months – add a review = draw for book voucher – gives staff something to discuss
Staff listing what they’re reading.
Newsletter – what staff are reading at the moment – “do you really want to know what we’re reading?” – no staff names just a list of books
Verbal feedback from recommendations
Generate a following of suggestions
Gunnedah –
Singleton library
RA Workshop – afternoon session
9.Readers Advisory and web 2.0
RA wiki
http://readersadvisory.wikifoundry.com/
Does anyone need to be updated to writer status?
If you edit page - even very minor – you can add that page to your watch list so you receive an update/email when someone else edits - kind of works like rss
Watch lists on threads and pages
Droplets for keeping up to date
Update your profile now!!
Want to be a writer? Ask now – not onerous – updating / editing / tagging
Posting new material
Weekly digests by email – can generate additional material
Reading Challenge
Reading lists
Book groups – came from an initial repetitive question at RA groups
Non fiction RA
Navigation – pages can move
Moderators – management structure set up by wetpaint; enable RA steering c’tee to have final say on writers, etc
RA work
Authors in other languages
What info actually adds value; more description the better; though ok to start with broad outline
Droplets – links to iGoogle ; a way of organising all the Google things together – wiretaps section – feed from ra wiki – threads that are being discussed – get this droplet
Updates – what’s been happening on the wiki lately
Email alerts when someone else edits a page that you’ve put up.
Everyone has different skills. If used properly can save you time at work – not recreating the wheel.
Setting up Google alerts
http://www.google.com/alerts
For Example: local writers, high demand writers or anything - and never have to search on that subject again.
think of areas of interest that you want to be kept informed about - you can always delete them or change the frequency of them if you feel swamped.
RSS
Google alerts look for subjects - use RSS if there are particular blogs you want to follow, plus for tracking changes to a website.
Search for authors, publishers, genres (there are lots in genres) - good way of scanning areas you are unfamiliar with. Try a few different rss feeds and when you find ones you really like you may want to delete the others - and organise into folders - so it is easy to delete the ones of marginal interest and retain the high demand ones.
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http://www.readersread.com/mystery/
Folders – broad subject headings; look at and delete; some info is transient but good; can be weird but full of good ideas; scanning;
Until recently this was all about blogs; just added ability to scan websites; good for ‘known items’ – sites/blogs you know you want to check / keep tabs on – David Lee King, Michael Stephens, etc, Massively (massively online multiple games),
Info where you don’t know where the source comes from – terms you want to track (eg, SLNSW, slam the boards) – Google Alerts - trolls for you; eg, particular element of ra services, writers, etc.
Tags – eg, companies setting up Google alerts to track comments about your company – immediate response
Daily / weekly alerts – can feed alerts into Google Reader to avoid direct email
Confirmation email- eg. serious games. Can stop at any time, obvious and not so obvious places; painless; broad spectrum of hits.Good option when clients are interested in a particular author they can set up an alert for that author. Another way for getting information
Twitter
#reading
What is the value of Twitter?
Example: Ellen- QPLA conference – did not go – used #search (tag search) – Paul Hagon tweeted – followed what he said and got an idea of what was going on.
Need to put the twitter # out again #crimera – # = searchable term (#crimera = Crime RA seminar)
Depends on who/what you follow – eg, professional designing a game for reference instruction.
How to follow on twitter
Lists vs following
Following – is not not sorted.
Lists – new – discretely organised – eg, news, government, authors I like (eg, Ian Rankin is ‘breathe high), genres (eg, sci-fi) – subject clusters. (Can be useless).
Tweeter choice whether to provide personal tweets or professional tweets
Tweet-ups through tags – by both using the same tag
Twitter search – searches tags – eg, #vala2010;
To tweet about something and connect to it you comment with the hashtag in the tweet – eg, “I am almost ready for #vala2010”
Good for following conferences – and for specific people you’re interested in.
Can delete a tweet if you like – eg, typo, incorrect, etc.
Time spent tweeting per day??
Different for different people and work situations
Ellen – 10 minutes / day unless there’s a conference on that is being followed and then it simply stays up and regularly flick across to every now and then – eg, ALA Midwinter – 15 mins per day ; Google Alerts – depends on interest level; Google Reader – 15 mins;
CRL - depends on work related issues at any given time; Google Reader (maybe monthly); Yahoo (daily); Twitter (daily/ every other day); wikis (every other day);
Requires balance and non-misuse vs work that needs to get done.
Audioread tweets?
(none found) – perhaps better as a Google Alert
Value of re-tweeting?
Ellen – bought a new game as a result of a re-tweet - Tulip mania 1637 – board game – Tulip stock exchange – follow as a result of a re-tweet from Michael Stephens who Ellen is following.
Blocked tweets??
Can be completely private but may not be the best thing – though can have private tweets between 2 people (must have follow connection though). Some is frivolous.
How do you find out about someone who you might want to follow?
-Eg, Ian Rankin – twitter search - “twitter ian rankin” = ‘breathe easy’.
Can someone assume someone else’s identity to create a twitter account?
Some people are pretending to be dead people (eg, JFK = jfk_1960; JFK_1960 – 3 times the followers as the other, official tweeter);
Ashton kutcher – “aplusk” – verified account – ie, this really is Ashton Kutcher, 40K(!?) followers
Lunar moon landing – control / module – conversations between the two.
Mars Rover.
twitter Peter Gabriel?
Ellen is following a whale – it’s scientifically accurately but is fun
Wilw – will wheaton
Unordered List ItemCan tweet from within Delicious –
Delicious
What is it?
A personal bookmarking site to take your book marks with you – new: different way of looking at your bookmarks – snap shots
Calgary library superstore ads – “everything you’re into”
Digital Queensland –
National library NZ – fun tweets from pictures –
Can copy, save new bookmark, paste, title, citation, tag, save, tweet? (if wanted) – add message – can then re-tweet.
Ellen – usually take an RSS feed – put into delicious – copy across to twitter
Searchable by tags (Ancient Greek heroes’ personality quiz)
Tag – “#flickrcommons” – images from institutions.
Numbers down side indicate how many other people also have that bookmark saved – global
Collecting tool
Ellen - Tag “#toread” – deletes what sits there more than 12 mths
Professional use of information
With any of these tools it’s working out the patterns of what works out best for you
Picking what tool works best for your community. Try it and see if it’s for you / your community.
Anyone can set up a hashtag – lots of creative options are out there.
Social network tools are about options.
Youtube - book talks
Look for – author talks – book talks – play with authors names depending on what you’re looking for
Libraries doing good ra stuff – on YouTube.
Creative commons:
Interviews with authors:
Publisher channels:
Web 2.0
Coffs
coffscitizen – how community can do some of the web 2.0 things.
Asked to send to reference list.
How to add a review, coffsmanblog.
How to update your profile – instructions – remotely accessible instructions.
Feel free to email Ellen at eforsyth@sl.nsw.gov.au.
10. Save the date
23rd June – games & public libraries seminar
24th June – morning gaming session ($20 ea) to explore ra ideas in an online environment – software implications (may not work in all work environments) – remote access – fully online – more info soon!
If already an RA wiki member and want to change to writer status we can do it now; if urgent when back at work, contact Ellen, Cathy, Therese directly; otherwise apply and wait a day or two.
Books to read whilst drinking whisky.
11. Meeting dates for later in the year